“By far the most interesting fact I hear about the Chinese is one on which we cannot arrive at clearness, but which excites endless curiosity even in the dim state: this namely, that they do attempt to make their Men of Letters their Governors! […] There does seem to be, all over China, a more or less active search everywhere to discover the men of talent that grow up in the young generation. […] The youths who distinguish themselves in the lower school are promoted into favorable stations in the higher, that they may still more distinguish themselves,-forward and forward: it appears to be out of these that the Official Persons, and incipient Governors, are taken.”
[…]
“These are they whom they try first, whether they can govern or not. And surely with the best hope: for they are the men that have already shown intellect. Try them: they have not governed or administered as yet; perhaps they cannot; but there is no doubt they have some Understanding,--without which no man can! Neither is Understanding a tool, as we are too apt to figure; "it is a hand which can handle any tool." Try these men: they are of all others the best worth trying.--Surely there is no kind of government, constitution, revolution, social apparatus or arrangement, that I know of in this world, so promising to one's scientific curiosity as this. The man of intellect at the top of affairs: this is the aim of all constitutions and revolutions, if they have any aim. For the man of true intellect, as I assert and believe always, is the noble-hearted man withal, the true, just, humane and valiant man. Get him for governor, all is got; fail to get him, though you had Constitutions plentiful as blackberries, and a Parliament in every village, there is nothing yet got!—"
That was written in 1840 (published in 1841) by Thomas Carlyle in “Heroes and Hero Worship - all 6 Lectures” - Chapter 5 “Hero as Man of Letters”
will it take a collapse of civilization to conclude that this is not “working”?… most just go along to get along, checking the boxes according to their designated tribe… (not that it matters)… getting really scary
The second chapter of my book is called A Democracy of Slaveowners on its Greek origins. It's one of the three proto-myths, with money and religion, that have led into every other manipulating delusion. Tony is right, of course, about only 19% having a voice. But worse, their voice was dependent on their contribution to the military. So it built the mercenary militia that put the teeth in the money system, and enabled conquest by proxy. It was interesting to learn, as a side note on my last article, that Rome started as a military outpost with no women until the Rape of the Sabine. It gives credence that Rome answered to the Hellenic Empire.
Well, it's definitely quality not quantity - and the honour would be mine to treasure yours. When I started reading about Putin and then Massie's works on the Romanovs ... who knew ??!! Hardly a day goes by where I don't learn of a new book that someone else has mentioned (and read)! The first thing I do is search for a PDF and/or audio book - there are some phenomenal libraries available online.
The story "the rape of the sabines" was likely a memory of the founding of primordial Rome by a koryos, or a band of young warriors. This is a common occurrence within Indo-European societies. Most major genetic upheavals in history comes from groups of young men taking what they require to build new households.
“Democracy claims descent from Ancient Greece whence the word originated, but the truth is that what exists today in its name bears no solid resemblance to its alleged prototype.
Ergo 'democracy' today has everything to do with Capitalism.
But it is a myth that Athens practiced democracy. The word is derived from two Greek words, that is all; but only 19% of Greeks had a voice. These were exclusively men, both of whose parents were Athenian born. All women, aliens, men with one or no Athenian parents, and slaves had no voice whatsoever.
As far as I can work out, the myth of Greek Democracy had its genesis in the City of London and this was taught in schools.
“Democracy claims descent from what was envisaged by Abraham Lincoln and Thomas Paine or the Irish Monks whence the word originated, but the truth is that what exists today in its name bears no solid resemblance to its alleged prototype."
I read or heard somewhere - you would not let an untrained surgeon operate on your brain, so why would you allow unread ignoramuses to vote. (I think it was MRJ discussing Pobedonostev.)
I refer back to my original quote - Democracy is politicians and votes for sale.
Democracy does not incorporate voting, representatives, politicians, political parties, parliaments, leaders, hierarchies, majorities, or elections.
Each individual contributes to the formulation of policy according to his inclination and capacity for knowledge. Some may opt for 'box check list of A or B or C popularly favoured alternatives'. Others may focus on one or two issues. People like me would write a book about each issue. It is up to each sovereign human being to contriubute to local, regional and national policy as they see fit. That is democracy. "Government of the people, by the people and for the people". Nothing more and nothing less. It is local, regional and national consensus.
We agree that that is exactly what it SHOULD be - of the people, by the people and for the people - but that is not what is happening under the 'name of democracy'. Again, I believe MRJ covers all those points.
At 3:25: “The answer to Roslyn Fuller’s paradox is simple: The United States is an oligarchy. It’s a country where, despite its democratic pretensions, the wishes of the majority are routinely ignored.”
Now listen to ‘presidential candidate’ RFK Jr at 6:45 in the following:
• Robert Kennedy Jr Meets Vicki Dillard and Responds to Her Statement. – FirstWorkMedia
RFK Jr: “I don’t think my job is to do what people want me to do – I’ve never believed that – if that’s the kind of leader that people want then they should not vote for me. Now, I’m going to do what I think is right [right for whom??] …]
Let me repeat what this presidential candidate just said …
“I don’t think my job is to do what people want me to do … “
I have heard the term ‘rectum licker’ applied to RFK Jr, Biden, Trump and their ilk.
Chinese Democracy
“By far the most interesting fact I hear about the Chinese is one on which we cannot arrive at clearness, but which excites endless curiosity even in the dim state: this namely, that they do attempt to make their Men of Letters their Governors! […] There does seem to be, all over China, a more or less active search everywhere to discover the men of talent that grow up in the young generation. […] The youths who distinguish themselves in the lower school are promoted into favorable stations in the higher, that they may still more distinguish themselves,-forward and forward: it appears to be out of these that the Official Persons, and incipient Governors, are taken.”
[…]
“These are they whom they try first, whether they can govern or not. And surely with the best hope: for they are the men that have already shown intellect. Try them: they have not governed or administered as yet; perhaps they cannot; but there is no doubt they have some Understanding,--without which no man can! Neither is Understanding a tool, as we are too apt to figure; "it is a hand which can handle any tool." Try these men: they are of all others the best worth trying.--Surely there is no kind of government, constitution, revolution, social apparatus or arrangement, that I know of in this world, so promising to one's scientific curiosity as this. The man of intellect at the top of affairs: this is the aim of all constitutions and revolutions, if they have any aim. For the man of true intellect, as I assert and believe always, is the noble-hearted man withal, the true, just, humane and valiant man. Get him for governor, all is got; fail to get him, though you had Constitutions plentiful as blackberries, and a Parliament in every village, there is nothing yet got!—"
That was written in 1840 (published in 1841) by Thomas Carlyle in “Heroes and Hero Worship - all 6 Lectures” - Chapter 5 “Hero as Man of Letters”
Jumping ahead to the present
• “How do Chinese leaders get elected?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twKhCqfjffQ
• Selection and election: How China chooses its leaders
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgpQxVCekgw
“very much in line with the Confucian system of meritocracy”
Who would have thought, then, that in 1840 Thomas Carlyle was virtually pre-empting the script of the rise to power of President Xi Jinping?
• Xi Jinping: Scholar in a cave - CGTN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGDm_mWtXmU
will it take a collapse of civilization to conclude that this is not “working”?… most just go along to get along, checking the boxes according to their designated tribe… (not that it matters)… getting really scary
Well done, JS! Great resources.
The second chapter of my book is called A Democracy of Slaveowners on its Greek origins. It's one of the three proto-myths, with money and religion, that have led into every other manipulating delusion. Tony is right, of course, about only 19% having a voice. But worse, their voice was dependent on their contribution to the military. So it built the mercenary militia that put the teeth in the money system, and enabled conquest by proxy. It was interesting to learn, as a side note on my last article, that Rome started as a military outpost with no women until the Rape of the Sabine. It gives credence that Rome answered to the Hellenic Empire.
Democracy is certainly a paradigm to dismantle.
"Democracy is certainly a paradigm to dismantle"
and as Tony alludes - maybe we should dismantle democracy and get back to Democracy.
I recall and will search for a quote from the Nicholas II diaries where he says something like "it's those damned 'Social Democrats' again!!"
Thank you Tereza. I still haven't, but absolutely do intend to procure your book.
You have a daunting stack of books, Julius, both in volume and depth of content. I'd be honored to be among it.
Well, it's definitely quality not quantity - and the honour would be mine to treasure yours. When I started reading about Putin and then Massie's works on the Romanovs ... who knew ??!! Hardly a day goes by where I don't learn of a new book that someone else has mentioned (and read)! The first thing I do is search for a PDF and/or audio book - there are some phenomenal libraries available online.
The story "the rape of the sabines" was likely a memory of the founding of primordial Rome by a koryos, or a band of young warriors. This is a common occurrence within Indo-European societies. Most major genetic upheavals in history comes from groups of young men taking what they require to build new households.
Democracy was definded by Abraham Lincoln and Thomas Paine.
It was also defined tby the Irish Monks.
All early humans practiced democracy but farming created hierarchies and war and ended democracy. Capitalism has nothing to do with it.
But see the quote by Colin Jordan.
“Democracy claims descent from Ancient Greece whence the word originated, but the truth is that what exists today in its name bears no solid resemblance to its alleged prototype.
Ergo 'democracy' today has everything to do with Capitalism.
But it is a myth that Athens practiced democracy. The word is derived from two Greek words, that is all; but only 19% of Greeks had a voice. These were exclusively men, both of whose parents were Athenian born. All women, aliens, men with one or no Athenian parents, and slaves had no voice whatsoever.
As far as I can work out, the myth of Greek Democracy had its genesis in the City of London and this was taught in schools.
Great Minds - Part 1 - Plato's Republic I: Justice, Power, and Knowledge - Michael Sugrue.
Zach (LogosRevealed) presents this with excellent commentary here - starts at 24: 20
https://odysee.com/@LogosRevealed:0/PodcastStream2:b
I should add that America was founded as a republic so we should not get off track.
• Great Minds - Part 1 - Plato's Republic I: Justice, Power, and Knowledge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rf3uqDj00A
Thanks for the trigger
Fair point ... so let's change that quote to
“Democracy claims descent from what was envisaged by Abraham Lincoln and Thomas Paine or the Irish Monks whence the word originated, but the truth is that what exists today in its name bears no solid resemblance to its alleged prototype."
I read or heard somewhere - you would not let an untrained surgeon operate on your brain, so why would you allow unread ignoramuses to vote. (I think it was MRJ discussing Pobedonostev.)
I refer back to my original quote - Democracy is politicians and votes for sale.
No.
Democracy does not incorporate voting, representatives, politicians, political parties, parliaments, leaders, hierarchies, majorities, or elections.
Each individual contributes to the formulation of policy according to his inclination and capacity for knowledge. Some may opt for 'box check list of A or B or C popularly favoured alternatives'. Others may focus on one or two issues. People like me would write a book about each issue. It is up to each sovereign human being to contriubute to local, regional and national policy as they see fit. That is democracy. "Government of the people, by the people and for the people". Nothing more and nothing less. It is local, regional and national consensus.
We agree that that is exactly what it SHOULD be - of the people, by the people and for the people - but that is not what is happening under the 'name of democracy'. Again, I believe MRJ covers all those points.
Would please share the source/quote concerning Irish Monks and democracy? I am highly interested.
Thanks!
I am hoping Tony can help with that - thanks Tony
• Era Of World Ruin by Arnold Leese
https://odysee.com/@JustAudiobooks:0/Era-Of-World-Ruin-by-Arnold-Leese:c
The claim of the Jews that they installed Democracy for the express purpose of ruining the Gentile world
American Democracy
• 16 Pillars of American "Democracy"
(I don’t endorse EVERY detail)
https://rumble.com/v1gq31f-16-pillars-of-american-democracy.html
At 3:25: “The answer to Roslyn Fuller’s paradox is simple: The United States is an oligarchy. It’s a country where, despite its democratic pretensions, the wishes of the majority are routinely ignored.”
Now listen to ‘presidential candidate’ RFK Jr at 6:45 in the following:
• Robert Kennedy Jr Meets Vicki Dillard and Responds to Her Statement. – FirstWorkMedia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uij1qvj30t4
Source:
https://alethonews.com/2024/03/31/robert-f-kennedy-jr-s-black-jewish-delusion
RFK Jr: “I don’t think my job is to do what people want me to do – I’ve never believed that – if that’s the kind of leader that people want then they should not vote for me. Now, I’m going to do what I think is right [right for whom??] …]
Let me repeat what this presidential candidate just said …
“I don’t think my job is to do what people want me to do … “
I have heard the term ‘rectum licker’ applied to RFK Jr, Biden, Trump and their ilk.